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I've been on a browse around today and its so ace to read all the comments being added to our writing bits. (Thanks for those sent about mine by the way - cool and encouraging!) With that in mind I just thought it would be another forum topic about how we find the feedback from each other and anything that we might want as individual writing geezers from each other. Any thoughts anyone out there? Ta 4 'listening' jf
I've been on a browse around today and its so ace to read all the comments being added to our writing bits. (Thanks for those sent about mine by the way - cool and encouraging!) With that in mind I just thought it would be another forum topic about how we find the feedback from each other and anything that we might want as individual writing geezers from each other. Any thoughts anyone out there? Ta 4 'listening' jf
Posted by: Dr. Todd harris
20 May 04:22 am
Hear here!! Every view is welcome in the world - that is where excitement dwells. Thank God we do not all see and say the same thing; how ho-hum would be our times. Every bell has a different ring, every plant a different scent.
Writing should be our greatest source of FUN!!
Don't fret the details until you're path is surely footed in inspirations. Others' comments can be a source of new voice; poetry is a good listen made for sharing, if for nothing else.
What comes to my immediate mind are views of lowly mushrooms, which, I overheard the other day, are not always welcome guests on pizza pies. So now, on Spores, for example, I'll write:
While walking I saw a mushroom
to beetles twas a hat
To piglets it was food for thought
to ladybugs a mat
Its scent to me
was poetry
under gardener's feet - a splat !!
The world is one font within a huge universe, Ourselves defined by how we look at it - splendor or splat....
Hear here!! Every view is welcome in the world - that is where excitement dwells. Thank God we do not all see and say the same thing; how ho-hum would be our times. Every bell has a different ring, every plant a different scent.
Writing should be our greatest source of FUN!!
Don't fret the details until you're path is surely footed in inspirations. Others' comments can be a source of new voice; poetry is a good listen made for sharing, if for nothing else.
What comes to my immediate mind are views of lowly mushrooms, which, I overheard the other day, are not always welcome guests on pizza pies. So now, on Spores, for example, I'll write:
While walking I saw a mushroom
to beetles twas a hat
To piglets it was food for thought
to ladybugs a mat
Its scent to me
was poetry
under gardener's feet - a splat !!
The world is one font within a huge universe, Ourselves defined by how we look at it - splendor or splat....
Posted by: ROBERTA CLARE COELHO
22 April 12:01 pm
Your Message: I think the feedback from the site is good and exetremely useful and have borne it in mind. There are poems I refuse to change they mean too much to me. I would rather not put it on the site than change words I am passionate about (sorry if that sounds drama queenish) but it haas only happened once or twice and I find I have learned an awful lot from the people on this site and I thank them..
Your Message: I think the feedback from the site is good and exetremely useful and have borne it in mind. There are poems I refuse to change they mean too much to me. I would rather not put it on the site than change words I am passionate about (sorry if that sounds drama queenish) but it haas only happened once or twice and I find I have learned an awful lot from the people on this site and I thank them..
Posted by: Paul Martin Chafer
15 April 21:10 pm
Jon,
If writers want direct contact with each other then perhaps the e-mail addresses are available with the poems, or did you mean in a chat-room format? I agree, perhaps it would be nice to talk direct in real time, personally, I prefer the system we have here already and would not entertain a chat-room.
As for the site critiquing method, I beleive it is fair and to suggest there is a 'right and wrong' about a poem leaves out the fact that it is only a matter of opinion. I agree with Cathy, if one person is tripped up over the reading, then others will be and the writer in question should accept their opinions and examine the poem. It doesn't mean the poem is wrong. Nobody enjoys having pieces rejected, especially if the writer thinks they are good, I should know! But as Jon points out in some of his poems, we don't want patting on the head, we want reality. I beleive this site is generous with its critiscism, try submitting to publishers!
Paul Chafer
Jon,
If writers want direct contact with each other then perhaps the e-mail addresses are available with the poems, or did you mean in a chat-room format? I agree, perhaps it would be nice to talk direct in real time, personally, I prefer the system we have here already and would not entertain a chat-room.
As for the site critiquing method, I beleive it is fair and to suggest there is a 'right and wrong' about a poem leaves out the fact that it is only a matter of opinion. I agree with Cathy, if one person is tripped up over the reading, then others will be and the writer in question should accept their opinions and examine the poem. It doesn't mean the poem is wrong. Nobody enjoys having pieces rejected, especially if the writer thinks they are good, I should know! But as Jon points out in some of his poems, we don't want patting on the head, we want reality. I beleive this site is generous with its critiscism, try submitting to publishers!
Paul Chafer
Posted by: Jon Fletcher
13 April 10:18 am
Responding to Mick - I'm puzzled by what you've said about not being able to respond to the 'critic' cos I thought this was the whole point of the site - stuff goes in to be commented on but we can respond ourselves and so can other writers if they want and if we want.
Responding to Mick - I'm puzzled by what you've said about not being able to respond to the 'critic' cos I thought this was the whole point of the site - stuff goes in to be commented on but we can respond ourselves and so can other writers if they want and if we want.
Posted by: Mick Ward
10 April 08:50 am
Thanks Cathy, I appreciate your support
Thanks Cathy, I appreciate your support
Posted by: Cathy Cole
09 April 18:58 pm
Sorry Jon @ Mick, read the post wrong - oops!
Mick you are right, if, after consideration you feel your way is right, then of course you should go with it. At the end of the day you are the author!
Sorry Jon @ Mick, read the post wrong - oops!
Mick you are right, if, after consideration you feel your way is right, then of course you should go with it. At the end of the day you are the author!
Posted by: Mick Ward
09 April 16:08 pm
Cathy seems to be under the impression that Jon has made a criticism of "official" feedback. In effect, it was from me (Mick Ward).........sorry Jon! Cathy's point is true of course, writers should expect and accept cricicism, but my point was that the writers on the site cannot defend their reasons for putting a line or a phrase that the "official" critic dioesn't like, there is simply no way of putting forward your reasons for writing something in the way that you did. For example, I was criticised recently for using the same word in two lines running and it was suggested that I replace one of them to make my poem run better.but I disagreed and felt that the poem ran better using the same word. I know that the critic was wrong here, as I have sold the poem three times and friends and family all agree that the poem scans better with the word repeated. But how do you explain this to the web-site critic, there is no simple way to do this, are just expected to agree with a critic regardless of how we feel about it?
Cathy seems to be under the impression that Jon has made a criticism of "official" feedback. In effect, it was from me (Mick Ward).........sorry Jon! Cathy's point is true of course, writers should expect and accept cricicism, but my point was that the writers on the site cannot defend their reasons for putting a line or a phrase that the "official" critic dioesn't like, there is simply no way of putting forward your reasons for writing something in the way that you did. For example, I was criticised recently for using the same word in two lines running and it was suggested that I replace one of them to make my poem run better.but I disagreed and felt that the poem ran better using the same word. I know that the critic was wrong here, as I have sold the poem three times and friends and family all agree that the poem scans better with the word repeated. But how do you explain this to the web-site critic, there is no simple way to do this, are just expected to agree with a critic regardless of how we feel about it?
Posted by: Cathy Cole
09 April 01:15 am
Jon, you say that some critics miss the point?
We are all reading the submissions as readers, and as readers, if something is awkward or not easily understood then it is better to say surely?
Feedback is just that: an honest, gut reaction to what we read. You, as the author, should be able to clarify your points - that is your job as a writer.
Jon, you say that some critics miss the point?
We are all reading the submissions as readers, and as readers, if something is awkward or not easily understood then it is better to say surely?
Feedback is just that: an honest, gut reaction to what we read. You, as the author, should be able to clarify your points - that is your job as a writer.
Posted by: Mick Ward
08 April 16:59 pm
Wouldn't it be nice if writers could write directly to each other more often? My fiance is a paper-craft person and she comunicates directly to people using her craft web-site forum. I have an epal in the USA who is a disabled writer and she proves to be vital in giving a personal "struggling writer" insight to matters involving publishing, grammatical queries and honest criticism. Maybe I expected more from this site, but surely it can only be best to encourage communication, especially to people who are not as active as others?
Wouldn't it be nice if writers could write directly to each other more often? My fiance is a paper-craft person and she comunicates directly to people using her craft web-site forum. I have an epal in the USA who is a disabled writer and she proves to be vital in giving a personal "struggling writer" insight to matters involving publishing, grammatical queries and honest criticism. Maybe I expected more from this site, but surely it can only be best to encourage communication, especially to people who are not as active as others?
Posted by: Mick Ward
08 April 16:53 pm
Hi Jon,
Like you, I found the feedb from other writers very encouraging and heart-lifting. But the feedback I've had from the site itself not so reassuring. Some criticisms are useful I admit, but the critics seem to miss the point of some lines completely. The trouble is, you cannot point out these missed points very easily and the only way that the site will accept the piece for publication is if you correct it to their liking. I "edited" a few pieces right off the site, rather than agreeing to alter the pieces to someone elses whims. Am I alone in this respect, can anyone tell me?
Hi Jon,
Like you, I found the feedb from other writers very encouraging and heart-lifting. But the feedback I've had from the site itself not so reassuring. Some criticisms are useful I admit, but the critics seem to miss the point of some lines completely. The trouble is, you cannot point out these missed points very easily and the only way that the site will accept the piece for publication is if you correct it to their liking. I "edited" a few pieces right off the site, rather than agreeing to alter the pieces to someone elses whims. Am I alone in this respect, can anyone tell me?
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